Curse

Cool Down · Aug 09, 2009, 09:25 AM // 09:25

When you look at the list of playable races which we have heard of so far, you have a list of five playable races.
* Asura
* Charr
* Human
* Norn
* Sylvari

But are these races really balanced when you think of a good vs evil scenario. So far the only evil race i see on the list is the Charr ?
Am i the only one who think that is a little lame, i would really love some more "evil" races.
Asura could go as a kind of "evil" because of their personality, but still they help all the other ones in Eye of the North.
Human's aint evil for sure, and Norn can't be either since they also assist the humans in Eye of the North.
That leaves the Sylvari.. but they are a non-violent race as far as i could see on the wiki

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that aint much evil in GW2 to me?

KaraMong · Aug 09, 2009, 09:31 AM // 09:31

from what i noticed in GWEN, the Norn are neutrals and so the Asura, despite the fact they help the Humans.

I think it will be Charr vs Humans and the other 3 are neutrlas and can help each others.

Tahlia Tane · Aug 09, 2009, 09:33 AM // 09:33

What makes you think humans aren't evil? In so many fantasy games humans are portrayed as a xenophobic species that is often suspicious of other races. Norn have helped humans and stuff, but that could only be a temporary alliance. It's not like they totally love each other. Very often you have alliances that are just convenient while they have no love for each other. See: luxons & kurzicks in the Cantha storymode.

Guild Wars 2 is many years in the future. Many races have their own interests in many areas, and it's not unimaginable that eventually their interests would not be compatible, which could lead to war. I think the way you think of evil is too one-dimensional. The dumb, shallow kind of evil is annoying, IMO. A lot of games have it like that. Sometimes evil to one person is good to another person... that makes things much more interesting.

I think Guild Wars 2 is going to look really interesting.. GW1 is just playable humans. Having so many playable races would make the game look so different from GW1. I think more high-fantasy, although GW1 always had many brushes with high-fantasy already, despite the medieval atmosphere of the game.

Tahlia Tane · Aug 09, 2009, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Cool Down

So far the only evil race i see on the list is the Charr ?

Prophecies portrayed Charr as evil but that changed with GWEN. Motivation for why they've destroyed Ascalon was understandable, because the humans just kept on invading Charr territory, the Charr had to do something back. So Charr aren't evil either. And I like it that way (see above post).

subarucar · Aug 09, 2009, 09:44 AM // 09:44

The Charr are not all that evil, look at all the Charr allied NPC's and Pyre Fierceshot for example. I havnt read much info on GW2 but I always asumed that all playable races would be allied to fight the greater evil.

TottWriter · Aug 09, 2009, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Not all games have to have a selection of 'good races' and 'evil races'. In ANet's position that's the last thing I'd be dong. They have enough accusations of WoW copying as it is.

Besides, it was only really the humans in Ascalon that ever had an issue with the Charr anyway. GW2 is set in what is at the moment Kryta. I don't see many Krytans fighting Charr for their very lives, to be blunt. The point of Proph as far as Ascalon is concerned is that it died. That way your character can go roaming arond, solving dispues here and there with no homeland calling them back.

Personally, I see the five races (and remember that those are the only 'announced' races. I guess it's possible that they have another in mind) as all more-or-less getting along. At least as far as not fighting each other outright is concerned. The Charr and the remaining human homelands are separated by a mountain range. I don't know. The story may bring them together or apart in interesting ways. But at least for the beginning of the plot I can see there being a tenuous peace between them, particularly in the light of a common foe such as dragons.

Pursh · Aug 09, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Humans did not invade Charr territory at all, the Charr attacked Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr by surprise, and at the time all the human nations were weak due to the Guild Wars, so every nation except Kryta fell.

Deimos Zargarda · Aug 09, 2009, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I dont think they will be fighting each other, rather against a new foe.

Free Runner · Aug 09, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by Pursh

Humans did not invade Charr territory at all, the Charr attacked Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr by surprise, and at the time all the human nations were weak due to the Guild Wars, so every nation except Kryta fell.

Ascalon originally belonged to the Charr. The Humans then arrived on Tyria, drove them back and took it, causing the Charr to become angry and attempt to counterstrike. Thus the whole Charr vs Humans sceneario. Charr aint evil. They are evil from a human perspective.

Tomm · Aug 09, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

I think Charr won't be evil in GW2.
They will fight for pure survival, together with other races, against some great evil that is to come.

That's only my opinion.

gerlin · Aug 09, 2009, 11:04 AM // 11:04

I think all parties will have evil in them. We'll just get quests/missions to kill those that are evil and a party of good will triumph once again. As long as we get heroes!

citizensmith1001 · Aug 09, 2009, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Awww , when i first saw the name of this thread i thought it was going to be about the idea of having good and evil sides in GW2 that the player could actually join and which would make a difference mission wise to the way you played the game but oh well.

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Originally Posted by Cool Down

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that aint much evil in GW2 to me?

You have only listed the playable races,theres going to be loads of evil guys in GW2 , sadly unplayable going by whats already been said about playable races, theres the Undead of course , the Dragons (several of them)and the Corsairs.

Fay Vert · Aug 09, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Who says its about good vs evil among playable races?

Miss Sarah Lauren · Aug 09, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

Arent the dragons the evils ones? you see it in the cutscene when you end EOTN

pumpkin pie · Aug 09, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

imho, humans are the most evil one in that list!

pamelf · Aug 09, 2009, 11:43 AM // 11:43

I think your good vs. evil example is oversimplifying the situation. Yes, the Charr are at odds with the human races, but that doesn't make them 'evil'. After all, when it comes to guilds all races will be welcome. I simply think the races offer us choices. I like that there won't be a simple 'us' and 'them' scenario. I think you need to look at it in a bit more depth rather than so black and white.

draxynnic · Aug 09, 2009, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by TottWriter

Not all games have to have a selection of 'good races' and 'evil races'. In ANet's position that's the last thing I'd be dong. They have enough accusations of WoW copying as it is.

And that's only because Blizzard decided to take the lame way out and toss the darker races in with the Horde instead of making a third faction (which they could have done, especially if they let Arthas die in Frozen Throne as the advertising suggested they would. But that's an old rant).

I'd agree with the general consensus - there are no really 'good' or 'evil' races out of those playable in GW2. Apart from EOTN, recall that the really big problems in each chapter was caused by someone who was (originally) from the same race as the characters - Khilbron, Shiro, and Varesh respectively.

You probably could say that the Sylvari are a little bit more good than the others (following Ventari's pacifistic tenets as a religion) while Charr are more evil (highly aggressive, engaging in slavery and spitting on anything humans would regard as altruism beyond you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours-as-long-as-it-remains-convenient behaviour) but on the whole I think we'll find that individuals are just as capable of great good or evil regardless of race.

Cool Down · Aug 09, 2009, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I just figured they would need atleast two factions (good vs evil) for the big epic pvp battles I've come to expect from what we have heard so far

draxynnic · Aug 09, 2009, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Those battles are essentially between parallel worlds rather than between races in the same world.

Some have theorised that there'll be CharrvHuman battles in southern Ascalon, but that allows for other races to remain neutral.

leetLoLa · Aug 09, 2009, 01:08 PM // 13:08

lol maybe humanoid races vs beasts?